What good are kill rights against criminals? You can already attack them for being a criminal. The problem is that they can dock in a station in a system where they are banned. I say stop letting criminals dock in highsec. Let other players actually have a chance to try and hunt them down. Don't prevent them from ganking though. They are providing us with more content. We need villains around.

Contrary to popular belief, not all criminals are -10. TBH, the most dangerous criminals I know have positive sec status.

Any criminal -10 or not can be killed if you are willing to put in the effort.

Regardless though, I'd not say that anything should be done to make it tougher to gank individual pilots, just that there should be more longer lasting consequences of choosing to do so and more reason to actively hunt gankers.

Solution.. make NPC corp tax 30% after 6 months old character and 50 % after 1 year. Also Player corps start paying a tax of 20% that is reduced by 1% per member. That would make peopel flock into reasoanbly sided corps... would brign them to the real eve, they woudl make friends, and wardecs woudl be more relevant than suicide ganking.

Time to enter a new corp if you already entered a corp this week ( 7 days). They can still avoid the war, but at MASSIVE costs.

But the best solution would be to make the war FOLLOW anyone that leaves a corp under war for 7 days.

1st Offense - Gankers market price ship value is given to gankee as compensation.
2nd Offense - compensation plus "jail time" (two hours of logged in time where no skill point increase occurs and the character is stuck in a penal station)
3rd Offense - compensation + 3 hours jail time.

I'm not asking for ganking to stop by any means, I would just have more respect for it if the ganker had to actually put some forethought into it.

And I'll keep saying this...pressing the undock button, flying to the asteroid belt, clicking approach and pressing F1 to pop a venture in two cycles and then docking back up after waiting a bit at an unaligned safe spot takes no more effort then mining or running missions.

Its like some of you who want to only grief others just don't understand how business works. Star Citizen is not too far off and WoW is getting ready to drop a new expansion (lol @ WoW all you want, I do), and the trend in the gaming industry is for a gentle ease into player vs player combat.... Not getting ganked by more experienced players in the first week of play. Just pay attention to rookie chat sometime and count how many potential customer say "effe it, I'm out" when they have been ganked two days into the game and lost most of their assets. I understand the "it's Eve", but if this game doesn't find a way to better transition toons into actually being able to defend themselves, then new games coming out (especially Star Citizen) is going to take a huge chunk out if its player base.

Hate carebears all you want, they make up the large part of the gaming community and pay the bills. And at that I'm done in this thread. No point in trying to talk sense or have a logical discussion on this topic anymore.

Also, LOL @ people who think star citizen is going to be a forgiving environment. It will be the cut throatness of EVE with no CONCORD.

You seem to be saying the counter to a ganker is sitting in a Moa all day waiting for ganker to be stupid enough to gank in range of your Moa. Not that I am saying that gankers aren't stupid but to me waiting around all day for a 20sec engagement with a ganker doesn't sound like 'fun'.

This did cross my mind when I ganked the pod of a 9 minute old toon in Perimeter attempting to autopilot into Jita.

Well, I looked through all the responses - most were nonsensical and used strawman arguments. I thought about only responding to the well reasoned posts, but talking to myself isn't so useful. So briefly:

1) No, I don't subscribe to the concept of "isk tanking." What I do think is that there should be tools available to properly tank ships commensurate with their expense level. If my Machariel costs 3x as much as a T1 battleship, it would be reasonable to think that there are some fitting choices available to give me 3x the ehp. Instead, bigger ships tend to not have dps/ehp increases corresponding to their increased price tag. In general I would support a WoT style "penetration" system in Eve, where small destroyer/frig guns would be unable to do any real damage to a well tanked battleship. Why should 50 rookie ships with Civilian guns be able to blow up a well tanked Machariel? The system is weighted towards small ships, and lends itself to glass cannon suicide ganking.

Well in my view, at least, the amount of effort and isk expended to gank a properly tanked ship in highsec should scale with the size of the ship. So it should take more isk and effort to gank a Mach or Vindi than to gank a Maelstrom or Hurricane. I don't think that a gang of cheap Catalysts should be able to get the job done. I would like to see small turrets having minimal impact on large ships - so for example making it virtually impossible for frigs or dessies to gank battleships. Much like you would not see battleships able to kill a titan. It's not about getting rid of suicide ganking, its about making it take a proper amount of isk and effort.

Yes - Concord do react. But losing your 10 mil catalyst - even for a 2% of chance of killing a 5 bil Machariel is worth it....CONCORD is not imposing a sufficient penalty to force you to actually think before ganking. It's basically automatic and consequence free for you CODE folks.

I'm not sure what you point is. Yes, Drakes and Procurers can be tanked to make ganking unprofitable and Kb negative. Machariels, Nightmares, and Rattlesnakes, the main L4 runners cannot be tanked in such a fashion (more officer tank mods would be nice, maybe deadspace LSE's, etc...).

An Astereo is a unique ship with special bonuses, we would not expect it to be 10 times as tanked as a T1. A Mach is essentially a better Maelstron, ditto for Vindi v. Hyperion, etc... The fact is that while you have lots of faction/deadspace/officer mods to get better gank, your tank options are still limited, and you remain vulnerable to gangs of cheap gank ships.